It's impossible for me to tell who's a dedicated ratter and who's a 'bot', and it's not my job. I'm not paid by CCP to play GM. If you find a bot, click 'report bot' and the Security Team - who actually has access to logs and evidence - can sort things out. Alliance leaders have no evidence, just hearsay and endless finger-pointing.

Witch hunts accomplish nothing save feed the egos of the ignorant and self-righteous (that's you).

The goosn position on this is: It is not their job to find botters and report them that is the work of the GMs. You cannot prove that anyone you suspect is really a botter.

At the same time they have a kind of code "Don't **** a fellow goon" which reaches in all areas. no blue shooting, no detsroying of assets no stealing etc. And yes no "reporting" of any kind because they cannot proof it anyway and might just bring alot of unjustified attention ot a fellow member that might just have been very diligent.

So instead of going into witch hunts, reporting everyone and their mom for suspected botting they just leave it to the GMs to find perpetrators. That has nothing to do with double standards.

I mean: How would YOU as a player PROVE that someone is using a Macro? You can't, there are only indicators but never proof. So its just "When in doubt, innocent!".

Example: If a friend of yours eats alot of chocolate bars but you have never seen him buy one. YOu may suspect he STEALS chocolate bars but would you report him to the police because you COULD come to the conclusion? (If yes I don't want to be a friend of yours ;))

this is a 'when did you stop beating your wife' question, ARE YOU A PRO RMT PRO BOT CANDIDATE

i don't grace people like you with answers, it's been discussed at length in this thread previously but you're too lazy to read and don't actually care, you just want to bleat

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How the hell can mittens tell if one of his members reported another member for botting or not? I'm just a pubbie, but I *HIGHLY* doubt that mittens has some sort of anti-bot-reporting counter intelligence system set up to weed out members who report bots to CCP. That's just plain silly. The fact of the matter is that if a goon wanted to report another goon for botting, there is nothing that mittens can do to stop it.

Now, I wouldn't actually put it past mittens to have actually be opposed to goons reporting other goons. But I wouldn't put it past him to be the other way around either. We are just a couple of pubbies and the only thing we can see out here is a bunch of hot gas being spouted between two sides of an argument.

If you think that he is a bot loving RMTer, then don't vote for him - simple as that. If you hate that he is a self-admitted sadistic bastard, then don't vote for him.

As for me, I may yet vote for him - I begrudgingly admit that the CSM has been surprisingly competent and effective under his leadership. I highly doubt that he has some sort of hidden tin-foil-hattery agenda to revive some sort of age-old plot to destroy EVE. He has had PLENTY of chances to allow CCP to do just that this past year.

Only if you're desperately cherry picking quotes to try and make it look like he supports botting.

Imryn, I think the goons mean, dont come to the mittani to report another goon a bot or so. Or dont go to another goon to report a goon being a bot.

Think you might still be able to click on the report a bot, but let CCP do the work of removing them and handling the bot issues not other goons handling that.

I can clarify it for you. The "leaked article" you read was correct. It is against Goonswarm Federation policy to report another member of the alliance for botting.

What are you confused about?

you don't deserve one, sorry publord

What, exactly, has he lied about? He's publicly stated that it's not cool for Goons to report other Goons and if he told some pubbies to report each other...what difference does it make? Are you expecting him to care a great deal about what the pubbies do with the bot reporting system?

If you want to accuse him of being some sort of RMT overlord then just man up and say it. The way you're currently going about it is embarrassing.

wow it's like you glossed over every explanation in this thread

in any case, the way he runs his alliance is irrelevant to his CSM campaign - why do you insist on pushing such nonsense?

This place is less ~chill~ since Imryn started badposting; please GTFO and give me back my icicles before they melt!

you're a nobody - why should anybody take you seriously?

This thread is to provide a consolidated place for my constituents to ask questions and receive personal responses from me.... I'm happy to clarify my positions on the issues of the day if you're wondering what I think about... whatever

learn what the word "active" means

also he said it's for his constituents, so get out

i love how you manage to inflate "thou shalt not file petitions against other goons" into "WE ACTIVELY PROTECT BOTTERS LOL" i guess that's just autism at work???

What's really dumb about your posting is not so much your deliberate refusal to understand things that have been explained more clearly and patiently than you deserve, but your seeming expectation that other people reading this thread are going to share your deliberate misunderstandings and false presuppositions, and go along with the implied claim that you are trying to bludgeon them with.

Perhaps I am overestimating the average reader of this thread, but I think most of them will find your hamfisted attempts to manipulate the discourse rather insulting, regardless of how they feel about The Mittani as CSM Chair.

A constituent is a person who voted for you. They elected you to represent them, so you represent them.

my furnace blew when it got down to 14 last night, got it up and running again and i'm going to chill out and play some tribes tonight; will hit up the new questions from actual humans later

i see that the roleplaying publord has been frantically trying to imitate a demagogue while i've been away and posting up a storm

heh

incidentally the publord's question was answered in the previous 30 pages, but he's too cool for school to actually read the thread rather than smearing poop on the walls and howling for validation from me

Think about this in the way that republican candidates care about strong democratic and liberal values when they have office (hint: they don't). He got chairman because 0.0 players had enough votes for him to cater to their needs (although, in reality, he caters to the needs of the game and making it not poop)

Because that's screwing over your friends and you deserved to get the boot for it. Or because it's not an alliances job to police what its member base does. Or because CCP doesn't (as of writing) care enough to deal with bots. Or because ratting is so unrealistically boring that it's easy to sympathize with people who bot. Pick an answer that makes you mad the most so you can mash words about it while I go back to ignoring these terrible forums.

You won't hear it from him because you want to hear it from him. I hope this is obvious to you, but it probably isn't so here are the words.

I don't think he stated he was going to answer all questions. And you can jerk and preach this point as much as you want but it won't really have any value because nobody cares.

It's not unusual for gaming organizations to have policies against their members reporting each other for suspected rules violations instead of going through the organization's leadership. Recently I read the 30plus.org charter (I'm old, lol) and it specifically states members must not make public accusations of cheating.

I guess someone could take that as support of cheating, but most people would probably see that as a rule against stupid drama. Of course, if you thrive on stupid drama then you'll probably find such a rule infuriating and launch into some kind of tirade about it on an internet forum.

you've been told why like 20 times

you just want to hear it from the mittani so you can quote him out of context everywhere because that's what you do

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512342#post512342

mystery solved move on to your next "casual" peeve that you will "casually" go on about for pages in another thread

please tell me more about reading comprehension, mister "i cannot understand that the mittani is not going to answer my question"

I'm delighted to have hysterical roleplayers flailing at me impotently on the forums. If someone like Xaran didn't exist, I'd have to invent him - the essence of politics is the distinction between friend and enemy, after all.

Hi, let me help you here. You're asking a loaded question and you're only taking one answer. Get out.

Why are you still posting?

More like you don't like the complexity of the answer. Since it does not match your preconceived ideas of what the answer should be, you concider the question unanswered when it is.